Comments on: My Take on the events Sorrounding the whole Jens Rohde debacle http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/ Free and open Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:53:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: mrandersson http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-347 Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:44:46 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-347 I first saw your post now. But no, I really haven't changed my mind the least bit. Whether the whole incident was factual or not, is irrelevant insofar as I think he should resign even if it had been completely factual. The crux of the matter is that a spokesperson for the government went out and broke the media blackout that has undoubtedly been imposed by PET, without consulting either the artists or PET, to whom the responsibility for their security has been entrusted. Whether it was a result of outrage over what happened or just plain stupidity, I can't say. But if he was really so stupid, that he hadn't noticed that no Danish media outlet has commented about the fate or the artist for the last 4-5 months, or that it would perhaps be a good idea to ask before going on national TV with details _beforehand_ I really don't think he is fit to perform any duty involving large amounts of responsability and knowledge anyway. I first saw your post now. But no, I really haven’t changed my mind the least bit. Whether the whole incident was factual or not, is irrelevant insofar as I think he should resign even if it had been completely factual.
The crux of the matter is that a spokesperson for the government went out and broke the media blackout that has undoubtedly been imposed by PET, without consulting either the artists or PET, to whom the responsibility for their security has been entrusted. Whether it was a result of outrage over what happened or just plain stupidity, I can’t say. But if he was really so stupid, that he hadn’t noticed that no Danish media outlet has commented about the fate or the artist for the last 4-5 months, or that it would perhaps be a good idea to ask before going on national TV with details _beforehand_ I really don’t think he is fit to perform any duty involving large amounts of responsability and knowledge anyway.

]]> by: Irene Adler http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-329 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:34:11 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-329 Thank you for this update Agora and for shedding some additional light on this murky case. There have been similar incidents in the US (see the Joel Hinrichs UO case for starters, or the El-Al shooting at Los Angeles airport a few years ago) where I thought the media and authorities weren't exactly forthcoming or honest about the events that transpired because they didn't want to create "tensions" or "panic". Thank you for this update Agora and for shedding some additional light on this murky case. There have been similar incidents in the US (see the Joel Hinrichs UO case for starters, or the El-Al shooting at Los Angeles airport a few years ago) where I thought the media and authorities weren’t exactly forthcoming or honest about the events that transpired because they didn’t want to create “tensions” or “panic”.

]]> by: Administrator http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-328 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:28:33 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-328 #24 Hellpig I agree. (I read that blog too. See <a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005060.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for an article I translated for Mr. Auster. You're preaching to the choir. But some of your previous comments were not entirely in keeping with the pious choir-boy image. When I said I think parts of liberalism are actually good, I had that article in mind. Agora #24 Hellpig
I agree.
(I read that blog too. See here for an article I translated for Mr. Auster. You’re preaching to the choir. But some of your previous comments were not entirely in keeping with the pious choir-boy image. When I said I think parts of liberalism are actually good, I had that article in mind.

Agora

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-327 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:22:32 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-327 My last posting:My definition somebody else's words Author Lawrence Auster: The only way the West can be saved It is among the evils, and perhaps is not the smallest, of democratical governments, that the people must feel, before they will see. When this happens, they are roused to action—hence it is that this form of government is so slow.—George Washington to Henry Knox, 8 March 1787. The wages of sin is death, and the wages of long-standing indifference to the informing genius of a culture is—not just the death of the culture, but the pain and fright that attend death.—L. Brent Bozell, Mustard Seeds I keep saying that the West must endure much more suffering and horror, many more surrenders and losses, before it will abandon its liberalism and start to defend itself from Islam—if it ever does. But no matter how many times I’ve said this, I realize I haven’t yet got to the core of the problem. We must focus our attention on the fact that the key to this unfolding disaster is LIBERALISM. I am not speaking of liberalism in the classical sense, as constraints on the power of government, as free speech and free inquiry, as a single rule of law for all citizens, as individual rights. Nor I am not speaking of liberalism in the New Deal sense, as the use of government to correct imbalances in the economy. I am speaking of liberalism in its pure, modern sense, the sense in which it is most authoritative and active for us today—liberalism as non-discrimination, liberalism as non-judgmentalism, liberalism as the belief that individual rights and individual freedoms constitute the defining content of our society, the principle that rules all other principles. All of which comes down to the belief—for us, a sacred belief—that we must not define ourselves as a group, a collective whole, and therefore must not define any other group as fundamentally different from our group. This is the belief that led the West to admit millions of unassimilable, hostile, and dangerous aliens into the West, and this is the belief that even now makes it impossible for Westerners to think critical thoughts about Islam as such, let alone to take effective action, or even imagine taking effective action, against it. In April 2001 I wrote an article called “America No Longer Exists,” by which I meant that America no longer sees itself as a nation, culture, and people, and therefore is unable to respond to obvious threats to itself as a nation, culture, and people. The same state of spiritual non-existence is much further advanced in Europe, especially Britain. Liberalism, by taking over the minds and hearts and souls of the Western peoples, has literally dissolved them as peoples. Having done so, it is now leading them to their political and civilizational destruction as well . Now, what can turn this hideous situation around? There is only one thing that can do it: Westerners must feel the horror that liberalism has wrought. When they see their societies progressively taken over by Muslims, when they see Muslim sharia being implanted and enforced in more and more parts of their country, when they see Islam being taught in their children’s schools and promulgated in the mass media, when they see Muslim imams in the councils of state, when they hear the Muslims’ increasingly strident demands for every more Islamization, when they see Muslim razzias (a.k.a. riots and “random” murders) grow in intensity and audacity, when they see the government paralyzed even in the face of the most palpable crimes and threats, and when, most importantly, they feel the horror and despair and pain and humiliation of all this, and when, finally, they see that this situation was brought about by and is sustained by LIBERALISM, by the liberal belief that the acceptance of alien cultures is the highest virtue of society, then, only at that point, they will see that LIBERALISM, which they had imagined to be the fairest good, is the darkest and most disgusting evil, the smiling destroyer that has seduced them to their ruin. Then, and only then, will they be ready to repent of their liberalism and start defending themselves and their civilization. My last posting:My definition somebody else’s words

Author Lawrence Auster:

The only way the West can be saved

It is among the evils, and perhaps is not the smallest, of democratical governments, that the people must feel, before they will see. When this happens, they are roused to action—hence it is that this form of government is so slow.—George Washington to Henry Knox, 8 March 1787.

The wages of sin is death, and the wages of long-standing indifference to the informing genius of a culture is—not just the death of the culture, but the pain and fright that attend death.—L. Brent Bozell, Mustard Seeds

I keep saying that the West must endure much more suffering and horror, many more surrenders and losses, before it will abandon its liberalism and start to defend itself from Islam—if it ever does. But no matter how many times I’ve said this, I realize I haven’t yet got to the core of the problem.
We must focus our attention on the fact that the key to this unfolding disaster is LIBERALISM. I am not speaking of liberalism in the classical sense, as constraints on the power of government, as free speech and free inquiry, as a single rule of law for all citizens, as individual rights. Nor I am not speaking of liberalism in the New Deal sense, as the use of government to correct imbalances in the economy. I am speaking of liberalism in its pure, modern sense, the sense in which it is most authoritative and active for us today—liberalism as non-discrimination, liberalism as non-judgmentalism, liberalism as the belief that individual rights and individual freedoms constitute the defining content of our society, the principle that rules all other principles. All of which comes down to the belief—for us, a sacred belief—that we must not define ourselves as a group, a collective whole, and therefore must not define any other group as fundamentally different from our group.

This is the belief that led the West to admit millions of unassimilable, hostile, and dangerous aliens into the West, and this is the belief that even now makes it impossible for Westerners to think critical thoughts about Islam as such, let alone to take effective action, or even imagine taking effective action, against it. In April 2001 I wrote an article called “America No Longer Exists,” by which I meant that America no longer sees itself as a nation, culture, and people, and therefore is unable to respond to obvious threats to itself as a nation, culture, and people. The same state of spiritual non-existence is much further advanced in Europe, especially Britain. Liberalism, by taking over the minds and hearts and souls of the Western peoples, has literally dissolved them as peoples. Having done so, it is now leading them to their political and civilizational destruction as well .

Now, what can turn this hideous situation around? There is only one thing that can do it: Westerners must feel the horror that liberalism has wrought. When they see their societies progressively taken over by Muslims, when they see Muslim sharia being implanted and enforced in more and more parts of their country, when they see Islam being taught in their children’s schools and promulgated in the mass media, when they see Muslim imams in the councils of state, when they hear the Muslims’ increasingly strident demands for every more Islamization, when they see Muslim razzias (a.k.a. riots and “random” murders) grow in intensity and audacity, when they see the government paralyzed even in the face of the most palpable crimes and threats, and when, most importantly, they feel the horror and despair and pain and humiliation of all this, and when, finally, they see that this situation was brought about by and is sustained by LIBERALISM, by the liberal belief that the acceptance of alien cultures is the highest virtue of society, then, only at that point, they will see that LIBERALISM, which they had imagined to be the fairest good, is the darkest and most disgusting evil, the smiling destroyer that has seduced them to their ruin. Then, and only then, will they be ready to repent of their liberalism and start defending themselves and their civilization.

]]> by: Administrator http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-326 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:21:35 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-326 Just because the world sees them all as the same, doesn't mean we as individuals should. I don't know the percentage of Moslems that are bad to the bone, but I do know the percentage of Moslems that will be dead if we kill them all. This whole cartoon business has helped highlight the things we should speak out against. And there's a lot of that going on at the moment (speaking out). I think we are more and more making it clear that dialogue with the West will have to be on our terms. Agora Just because the world sees them all as the same, doesn’t mean we as individuals should. I don’t know the percentage of Moslems that are bad to the bone, but I do know the percentage of Moslems that will be dead if we kill them all. This whole cartoon business has helped highlight the things we should speak out against. And there’s a lot of that going on at the moment (speaking out).
I think we are more and more making it clear that dialogue with the West will have to be on our terms.

Agora

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-325 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:07:05 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-325 Hey we have the 1.4 billion Chinese that want world domination.A bright future for us all I am sure. This kind of hatred toward Islam,in my eyes will be until the Muslim community stands(speaks)out against the islamonazi's publicly.Thier silence is a sign condolence.If they want to similate into western society,they need to clean house.Until then the world see's them as one in the same Hey we have the 1.4 billion Chinese that want world domination.A bright future for us all I am sure.

This kind of hatred toward Islam,in my eyes will be until the Muslim community stands(speaks)out against the islamonazi’s publicly.Thier silence is a sign condolence.If they want to similate into western society,they need to clean house.Until then the world see’s them as one in the same

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-324 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:57:33 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-324 OK Agora,now your just going off tangent you want to compare Islam to Christianity ok lets start here,goto this site scroll down to the "The List" <a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/" rel="nofollow">TROP</a> Then you link me to a christian list(This century please) OK Agora,now your just going off tangent

you want to compare Islam to Christianity
ok lets start here,goto this site scroll down to the “The List” TROP

Then you link me to a christian list(This century please)

]]> by: Eudaimonia http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-323 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:52:36 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-323 ok :) ok :)

]]> by: Administrator http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-322 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:50:07 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-322 Hellpig, I believe in those things too. But I also believe that we shouldn't go around butchering people just because they are a bit nutters. That wouldn't be fair. And besides, it would be horrible to be all alone in the world. Violence is what we use when we can't debate anymore. Agora BTW this was in response to #14. Hellpig,
I believe in those things too. But I also believe that we shouldn’t go around butchering people just because they are a bit nutters. That wouldn’t be fair. And besides, it would be horrible to be all alone in the world. Violence is what we use when we can’t debate anymore.

Agora

BTW this was in response to #14.

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-321 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:47:13 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-321 No need to apologize(accepted)just spell my name correctly No need to apologize(accepted)just spell my name correctly

]]> by: Administrator http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-320 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:44:37 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-320 Yes, that's right. But what are we to do when we have killed all the Moslems? Do away with the Christians and Jews, of course: Tadah! THE BIBLE SAYS THAT TOO! <blockquote> "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) Don't think Jesus did this just for fun! </blockquote><blockquote>"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household'". (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB)</blockquote> You're gay? You're an infidel? Well, fuck you: <blockquote>So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)</blockquote> And don't be a young widow, because then you'll want to ****: <blockquote>The younger widows should not be on the list [for financial support from the Church], because their physical desires will overpower their devotion to Christ and they will want to remarry. Then they would be guilty of breaking their previous pledge. Besides, they are likely to become lazy and spend their time gossiping from house to house, getting into other people's business and saying things they shouldn't. So I advise these younger widows to marry again, have children, and take care of their own homes. Then the enemy will not be able to say anything against them. For I am afraid that some of them have already gone astray and now follow Satan. (1 Timothy 5:11-15 NLT)</blockquote> And long hair? Good for Women. BAAAD for men: <blockquote>Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15 NAS)</blockquote> So now we've proven that Islam and Christianity are evil, why not just finish it in one big fireworks display? We got the nukes, you know... Come on, give it a rest. Their religion is stupid and evil. WHERE'S the news? You seem like you are a bit surprised... Agora Yes, that’s right. But what are we to do when we have killed all the Moslems? Do away with the Christians and Jews, of course:

Tadah! THE BIBLE SAYS THAT TOO!

“If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.” (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Don’t think Jesus did this just for fun!

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household’”. (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB)

You’re gay? You’re an infidel? Well, fuck you:

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

And don’t be a young widow, because then you’ll want to ****:

The younger widows should not be on the list [for financial support from the Church], because their physical desires will overpower their devotion to Christ and they will want to remarry. Then they would be guilty of breaking their previous pledge. Besides, they are likely to become lazy and spend their time gossiping from house to house, getting into other people’s business and saying things they shouldn’t. So I advise these younger widows to marry again, have children, and take care of their own homes. Then the enemy will not be able to say anything against them. For I am afraid that some of them have already gone astray and now follow Satan. (1 Timothy 5:11-15 NLT)

And long hair? Good for Women. BAAAD for men:

Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15 NAS)

So now we’ve proven that Islam and Christianity are evil, why not just finish it in one big fireworks display? We got the nukes, you know…

Come on, give it a rest. Their religion is stupid and evil. WHERE’S the news? You seem like you are a bit surprised…

Agora

]]> by: Eudaimonia http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-319 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:36:51 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-319 Right. I'm sorry Hellpig. I don't agree with you but it wasn't a nice way to say it. You're entitled to speak your mind. I got angry because of all the anger your entries promoted. I don't think rage is the way - and I better make that apply for my own conduct. I also think you would feel differently if you had met nice real people who were from a muslim culture - and still actually - people. I have. And yes. I bloody well know it. You shouldn't let what you hate define you - ever. Only what you love. :) Right. I’m sorry Hellpig.
I don’t agree with you but it wasn’t a nice way to say it. You’re entitled to speak your mind. I got angry because of all the anger your entries promoted. I don’t think rage is the way - and I better make that apply for my own conduct.
I also think you would feel differently if you had met nice real people who were from a muslim culture - and still actually - people. I have.

And yes. I bloody well know it. You shouldn’t let what you hate define you - ever. Only what you love. :)

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-318 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:36:50 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-318 And Dhimmitude isn’t debating with Moslems, your correct it is SUBMITTING to them! <i>"The mediaeval Quranic commentator Ibn Kathir justified the dhimma in terms of Sura 9:29 of the Qur'an [1]. The verse calls Muslims to fight against the People of the Book until they pay the jizya head tax and are humbled: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." </i> And Dhimmitude isn’t debating with Moslems, your correct it is SUBMITTING to them!

“The mediaeval Quranic commentator Ibn Kathir justified the dhimma in terms of Sura 9:29 of the Qur’an [1]. The verse calls Muslims to fight against the People of the Book until they pay the jizya head tax and are humbled:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-317 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:30:13 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-317 <i>Please, continue this line of argument. But the next time you get peeved at someone, don’t explode all your orifices onto my blog.</i> OK I wasn't peeved I was just reponding,I see how you might have thought that,I shouldn't used BOLD type,where I come from we use it as a separation from a quote,where as you see it as screaming.And I am always in control.And I am not a racist,the Cult of Islam isn't a race,it's multi-ethnic with all colors and breeds. What do I believe in: Borders Language(although I do butcher it) Culture Please, continue this line of argument. But the next time you get peeved at someone, don’t explode all your orifices onto my blog.

OK I wasn’t peeved I was just reponding,I see how you might have thought that,I shouldn’t used BOLD type,where I come from we use it as a separation from a quote,where as you see it as screaming.And I am always in control.And I am not a racist,the Cult of Islam isn’t a race,it’s multi-ethnic with all colors and breeds.

What do I believe in:

Borders
Language(although I do butcher it)
Culture

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-316 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:21:23 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-316 <i>"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5</i> <a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/" rel="nofollow">TROP</a> “Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an, Sura 9:5
TROP

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-314 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:30:35 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-314 Liberalism is working just fine in the EU.LMAO what next,they gonna allow the muslims to declare sharia,or stop the serving of pork in public schools,or proof reading student text books.Allowing the stalking of innocent little girls....Oh that's right they already are! 4 of 5 islamonazi's agree,liberals make great pets <a href="http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">the study of revenge</a> It's kinda funny you won't let me hijack this blog,but you will let the Cult of Islam hijack the world. Can you say DHIMMITUDE,c'mon I think you can. Liberalism is working just fine in the EU.LMAO
what next,they gonna allow the muslims to declare sharia,or stop the serving of pork in public schools,or proof reading student text books.Allowing the stalking of innocent little girls….Oh that’s right they already are!

4 of 5 islamonazi’s agree,liberals make great pets

the study of revenge

It’s kinda funny you won’t let me hijack this blog,but you will let the Cult of Islam hijack the world.

Can you say DHIMMITUDE,c’mon I think you can.

]]> by: Administrator http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-313 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:14:00 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-313 Hellpig, No, I daresay that it will be people like you who will destroy western culture. For what is western culture if it is not liberal? You should understand the things you are throwing away: 1) That people are equal before the law 2) That people are protected from the state 3) That people have the right to be presumed innocent till proven guilty Those are just the first three I could think of. There are many more. Western culture without liberalism is.... Dictatorship. There are parts of modern liberalism that have grown to be rather tiresome. But essentially the parts of liberalism that are tiresome are all connected to cultural relativism. What we need is not a new führer. We need a liberal western culture that stands up for itself. What we don't need is a lot of pimply-faced youths who act before they think. It's been tried. It was called the Hitler-Jugend. The liberal states of the world made short change of them. It's being tried in the Palestinian Areas. Liberal states such as Israel will make short change of them. The Rule of Law before the Law of the Rulers. The most liberal statement ever made. If you can elaborate on what it is that you call Liberalism that you find so offensive, I will be happy to engage in debate. But don't think that I will allow the comments section of my blog to be overtaken by people who can't control their emotions. Yes, Eudaimonia is a bit snobbish about racists (believe me, I should know). But that doesn't mean you have to be a brute and a bastard. It's when you let that which you hate define yourself that you have irreparably lost. Agora Hellpig,
No, I daresay that it will be people like you who will destroy western culture. For what is western culture if it is not liberal? You should understand the things you are throwing away:
1) That people are equal before the law
2) That people are protected from the state
3) That people have the right to be presumed innocent till proven guilty

Those are just the first three I could think of. There are many more. Western culture without liberalism is…. Dictatorship.
There are parts of modern liberalism that have grown to be rather tiresome. But essentially the parts of liberalism that are tiresome are all connected to cultural relativism. What we need is not a new führer. We need a liberal western culture that stands up for itself.

What we don’t need is a lot of pimply-faced youths who act before they think. It’s been tried. It was called the Hitler-Jugend. The liberal states of the world made short change of them. It’s being tried in the Palestinian Areas. Liberal states such as Israel will make short change of them.

The Rule of Law before the Law of the Rulers. The most liberal statement ever made.

If you can elaborate on what it is that you call Liberalism that you find so offensive, I will be happy to engage in debate. But don’t think that I will allow the comments section of my blog to be overtaken by people who can’t control their emotions. Yes, Eudaimonia is a bit snobbish about racists (believe me, I should know). But that doesn’t mean you have to be a brute and a bastard. It’s when you let that which you hate define yourself that you have irreparably lost.

Agora

]]> by: HELLPIG http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-312 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:50:31 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-312 <i>Eudaimonia said..I guess freedom of speech is allowing people like Hell-pig to speak…urgh.</i> <b>First off it is Hellpig!.Second what type of person am I? You must mean the type that is sick and tired of the Cult of Islam with thier child raping false prophet followers,Murdering and raping,and kidnapping and lying to the world over and over and over again.And that I refuse to be a closed eyed Dhimmi such as yourself! Then yes I am that kinda person.And proud of it! I can understand your not wanting to let me have freedom of speach.The Truth Hurts and it is my goal to awaken the world to Cult of Islam however I can.But there will be no hope for yourself because you are too worried about offending murderers and rapists.It will be people like myself who will preserve western culture from the mental disorder known as LIBERALISM.</b> <a href="http://www.prophetofdoom.net/" rel="nofollow">prophet of doom</a> READ IT! LEARN IT! DESTROY IT! Eudaimonia said..I guess freedom of speech is allowing people like Hell-pig to speak…urgh.

First off it is Hellpig!.Second what type of person am I? You must mean the type that is sick and tired of the Cult of Islam with thier child raping false prophet followers,Murdering and raping,and kidnapping and lying to the world over and over and over again.And that I refuse to be a closed eyed Dhimmi such as yourself! Then yes I am that kinda person.And proud of it!

I can understand your not wanting to let me have freedom of speach.The Truth Hurts and it is my goal to awaken the world to Cult of Islam however I can.But there will be no hope for yourself because you are too worried about offending murderers and rapists.It will be people like myself who will preserve western culture from the mental disorder known as LIBERALISM.

prophet of doom

READ IT!
LEARN IT!
DESTROY IT!

]]> by: Raw Data http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-311 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:37:54 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-311 I agree with Foreign Devil. There is still something odd about the story. I agree with Foreign Devil.
There is still something odd about the story.

]]> by: Red Hot Cuppa Politics http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-310 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:26:53 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-310 <strong>Muslim Girls In Search Of Infidels ... ?</strong> I'm just a heathen mom from Texas, but I'll tell you what. If I received a call from my kids' school that 6 girls were trying to locate my daugher, I'd be troubled Muslim Girls In Search Of Infidels … ?

I’m just a heathen mom from Texas, but I’ll tell you what. If I received a call from my kids’ school that 6 girls were trying to locate my daugher, I’d be troubled

]]> by: foreign devil http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-309 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:33:50 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-309 If I had a 7 year old at school and she missed a day and the next day the teacher says to me: "Gee, it's a good thing your daughter wasn't here today because 6 to 8 Muslim girls came looking for 'the daughter of the cartoonist who disparaged out prophet' and you hear these were big girls, in grades 7 and 8...12 and 13 year olds, would you rest easier knowing that a pack of girls of that age had been looking to 'get at' your daughter. I don't think so. If the Muslims sent girls to do this dirty work, it's only because they 'use' their youth as the shock troops. Look at the fires of France. If the underage kid gets caught, the police aren't likely to hold him and in any case, you can go down to the police station and shout 'racism' till they let them go. It's a 'tactic'. None of the three versions of the story I've heard leave me feeling any more relieved. 12 gangbanger girls in an LA gang can beat another half to death; 6-8 Muslims girls with their spite and anger stored so carefully as a weapon, could have inflicted a life-changing beating on a child. No I don't feel reassured at all learning it was 6 to 8 Muslims girls. And I'd like to know what their parents said to them when they found out what they'd done. Not much, I guess. As sooon as they see we react to their manipulations, they change tack and try something new. They're all Gollums! Threaten and thunder, then wheedle and whine till they threaten again. If I had a 7 year old at school and she missed a day and the next day the teacher says to me: “Gee, it’s a good thing your daughter wasn’t here today because 6 to 8 Muslim girls came looking for ‘the daughter of the cartoonist who disparaged out prophet’ and you hear these were big girls, in grades 7 and 8…12 and 13 year olds, would you rest easier knowing that a pack of girls of that age had been looking to ‘get at’ your daughter.

I don’t think so. If the Muslims sent girls to do this dirty work, it’s only because they ‘use’ their youth as the shock troops. Look at the fires of France. If the underage kid gets caught, the police aren’t likely to hold him and in any case, you can go down to the police station and shout ‘racism’ till they let them go. It’s a ‘tactic’.

None of the three versions of the story I’ve heard leave me feeling any more relieved. 12 gangbanger girls in an LA gang can beat another half to death; 6-8 Muslims girls with their spite and anger stored so carefully as a weapon, could have inflicted a life-changing beating on a child.

No I don’t feel reassured at all learning it was 6 to 8 Muslims girls. And I’d like to know what their parents said to them when they found out what they’d done. Not much, I guess.

As sooon as they see we react to their manipulations, they change tack and try something new. They’re all Gollums! Threaten and thunder, then wheedle and whine till they threaten again.

]]> by: The Rolling Barrage http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-308 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:08:09 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-308 <strong>The Danish Debacle</strong> The blog Agora posted a story wherein it was put forth that the daughter of one of the Danish cartoonists was targeted by twelve Moslem youths who showed up at her door. Obviously this was a distressing devlopment and we... The Danish Debacle

The blog Agora posted a story wherein it was put forth that the daughter of one of the Danish cartoonists was targeted by twelve Moslem youths who showed up at her door. Obviously this was a distressing devlopment and we…

]]> by: Hujonwi http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-306 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 09:25:28 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-306 Thanks for the update. I deleted the post on my site and will wait to see how this shakes out. Something still ain't quite right though. Thanks for the update. I deleted the post on my site and will wait to see how this shakes out. Something still ain’t quite right though.

]]> by: Eudaimonia http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-305 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:30:52 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-305 “Perler for svin” I guess freedom of speech is allowing people like Hell-pig to speak...urgh. I also think Agora’s take on Hell-pig’s comments is an impressive tour de force in patience and respect. Did I mention impressive? Thumbs up to the Administrator. “Perler for svin”
I guess freedom of speech is allowing people like Hell-pig to speak…urgh. I also think Agora’s take on Hell-pig’s comments is an impressive tour de force in patience and respect. Did I mention impressive? Thumbs up to the Administrator.

]]> by: Committees of Correspondence http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-304 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:21:44 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-304 <strong>Stalking Minuteman Kids at Their Schools</strong> UPDATE Breaking News Agora has updated their article as new information comes in Cartoonists Daughter Hunted by 12 Jihadists 12 Youngsters 6-8 Girls Stalking Minuteman Kids at Their Schools

UPDATE Breaking News Agora has updated their article as new information comes in
Cartoonists Daughter Hunted by 12 Jihadists 12 Youngsters 6-8 Girls

]]> by: Raw Data http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-302 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:58:18 +0000 http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/05/my-take-on-the-events-sorrounding-the-whole-jens-rohde-debacle/#comment-302 "...some of the horrendous things that Claus Seidel tells me the cartoonists have experienced ought in some way to be put on the public agenda in order to further the public understanding..." Exactly! And that is why Rhde is to be censured. But -- and a big however -- there is <i>something</i> a bit odd about the 6-8 girls going to the school. That still does sound like intimidation and I would like to know what was going on. So all the more reason we have to be rigorous in our stories. “…some of the horrendous things that Claus Seidel tells me the cartoonists have experienced ought in some way to be put on the public agenda in order to further the public understanding…”

Exactly! And that is why Rhde is to be censured.

But — and a big however — there is something a bit odd about the 6-8 girls going to the school. That still does sound like intimidation and I would like to know what was going on. So all the more reason we have to be rigorous in our stories.

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