Cartoonist’s Daughter Hunted by 12 Jihadists 12 Youngsters 6-8 Girls
Ok, this all turned out to be a hoax. Apparently, Jens Rohde misquoted the information he got from the meeting he attended. Scroll down for the latest. I have posted an analysis of the whole thing here - who knew what when. I have closed comments (but not trackbacks) on this post and would like it if you post comments to this post at the aforementioned post. So far, the actual facts of the story are as follows:
Four weeks ago, 6-8 Moslem girls showed up at the school of the daughter of one of the cartoonists, asking for "the daughter of the cartoonist who had insulted their prophet". They were turned away at the door.
If you want the whole story, read on.
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This Sunday, Anders Fogh Rasmussen launched an attack on some businesses in an interview in Berlingske Tidende. This interview is translated here in full. Very readable, by the way. The excerpt important now is this:
When you say ‘others’, are you referring to Politiken and Berlingske Tidende?
"I don’t think it serves any purpose to speak of that," says the Prime Minister, even if the editorials of Politiken on this issue brings to Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s mind "vestiges of April 1940", where "one ought to just lie down."
"I must say that I think that what we have seen has been a total lack of principle painted with a broad brush across the board - none mentioned, none forgotten. But it is something we saw from parts of the private sector to a large part of the cultural and media world."
Thursday evening on the 18.30 News programme, Political Spokesman for the Liberals, Jens Rohde says this on TV-Avisen in response to an attack from Lars Krobæk who is miffed that the Prime Minister would so indiscriminately accuse Danish businesses of committing a moral wrong in not supporting freedom of speech. He asks the Prime Minister to please be more specific in order that all may know who is, and isn’t, part of the scope of the Prime Minister’s accusations:
Jens Rohde: It’s certainly not those who have chosen to lay low and let this storm blow over them. What this is about, is that there are CEOs who have tried to get the government to apologise - both in writing and in speaking - in order to put this behind us. Those people all know who they are, and what they have done - and those are the people the Prime Minister is aiming at. But the communication that has passed between us and them of course can be publicised, because people must be able to write to us in all confidentiality. So what this is about, is that some may feel that the Prime Minister was aiming at them, but others need not have that feeling. And certainly not Lars Krobæk.
News Anchor: Jens Rohde, you almost sound like a headmaster at a boarding school: "Those who have been misbehaving know who they are…." Shouldn’t the government go public and say that this is a debate about Freedom of Speech - these people haven’t been here: them and them and them.
Jens Rohde: This isn’t about people who haven’t been there - this is about some people who have been very active in trying to get the government to issue an apology. And that is not, we think, in tune with these people saying that they support Freedom of Speech or, for that matter, Freedom of the Press. And it is /that/ basic discussion the Prime Minister participated in - and…. now this seems to be turning into a discussion about someone’s hurt vanity and I think that is really too bad, because the discussion about the principles of this is first of all important, and apart from that I think we ought to consider that we have 12 cartoonists in this country who have to live in hiding under protection, have had their lives turned around. The daughter of one of the cartoonists was sought out by 12 Moslem males at her school - they wanted to get at her. Luckily, she wasn’t there, and these people now live with fatwas over their head. And this is where I think that all of us ought to back these people up and say that we don’t want to allow this kind of thing to happen to our cartoonists - we need to back up their right to exercise their profession.
So this is where this whole story comes from. Also see the article taken from DR’s homepage translated at the bottom of this post. A source at the Police Intelligence Service comments to dagbladet.no:
Unsafe for the Cartoonists
Four months after the cartoons were published, the Police Intelligence Service still doesn’t think it’s safe for the cartoonists to live in the open in Denmark.
They are therefore still under police protection at secret addresses. From sources near to the cartoonists, Dagbladet.no is informed that some of them are receiving help from a psychologist to them deal with the situation.
"None of them had thought that their cartoons would create such a worldwide ruckus," the source says.
Today, Friday, Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard speaking on behalf of the Danish cartoonists launches a counterattack, saying that the 12 Moslem males were really "youngsters" and that he is mad at Jens Rohde for betraying the confidentiality of the meeting he had with the cartoonists. So this confirms, as some of the commenters on this post would like, that this incident did indeed take place. The seriousness of it is up for debate, but Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard obviously is aiming to make the whole world forget there ever were any Muhammed cartoonists and either way, 12 Moslems of the male variety wanting to see a little girl doesn’t sound like peanuts to me. Here is the relevant excerpt from the newspiece. Full newspiece transcribed at the bottom of this post:
VOICE: But there were no 12 Moslem males. They were youngsters. Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard, speaking on behalf of the 12 Muhammed cartoonists, who are all members of the Journalist’s association, says to Ritzaus Bureau: "This is blown out of proportions, and that information was confidential. It’s not dignified for a big-time politician to use his airtime to spread such stories from the housetops. This may potentially worsen the predicament of the cartoonists and their families," says Mogen Blicher Bjerregaard.
Jens Rohde later today, Friday, gave this statement to Jyllands-Posten:
"I find it quite out of order to accuse me of using this for my selfish political ends. I have given Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard a very thorough explanation of the background and the context of this remark, so it comes as a blow to me that he would say what he says," Jens Rohde says.
He was trying to defend the cartoonists with his statement and explain to the general population the predicament they’re in because they aren’t able to speak for themselves.
"I have tried to be there for the cartoonists, defending them. I have tried to make people - instead of talking about themselves all the time - to say, that we have some cartoonists in this country living in fear and under fatwas who have had their lives turned upside down.", says Jens Rohde.
He tried to make this clear by using an example from the meeting. He’s sorry if this has bothered the cartoonist and his family.
"We should as Danes - morally speaking - stand up for these cartoonists and sige: ‘We will not tolerate that they must live under these conditions just because they have drawn some cartoons, practicing their profession. That was all I set out to do," Jens Rohde says.
So this is where the story ends as of Friday 18:47 CET. If any updates appear, I will add them to this post.
Ok, the saga goes on. Yesterday evening, Politiken put this on their website:
Jens Rohde’s Twelve Men……
A few weeks ago an incident occured to one of the 12 cartoonists; a group of Moslem pupils came to his daughter’s school to seek her out.
That was the episode that the Political Spokesman of the Liberals, Jens Rohde, Thursday spoke of on TV after a meeting with the leader of the cartoonists. On TV, Jens Rohde said that it was "12 Moslem Males" who had come to the daughter’s school.
But that is not correct, says the the Chairman of the Journalist’s Association.
"These weren’t in any way 12 Moslem men," says Mogens Blivher Bjerregaard, who criticises the spokesman of the Liberals of breaking confidentiality.
Apart from that, he wouldn’t comment on any concrete episodes.
….. Were a Group of Girls who were Turned Away
According to the information Politiken has received, the actual case was about a group of 6-8 Moslem girls from another school who had gone to the school of the daughter of one of the cartoonists. They wanted "the daughter of the cartoonist who had insulted their prophet," but were turned away at the door.
The cartoonist’s daughter wasn’t at school that day, but both she and the family were very distressed. The Police was informed of the matter, which was taken care of by the school involved, Politiken has learned.
Another article has this statement from Claus Seidel, who attended the meeting:
"The meeting was confidential, and nothing was written down. So that story must be on Jens Rohde’s head. He can say what he likes - and so can I. I shan’t be the judge of who has the best recollection of the meeting. But Jens Rohde oughn’t to pass on something - in this time of much tension - which hasn’t been put on paper and where the parties don’t agree on what’s been said.," Claus Seidel says to Ritzau.
That same article has a quote from the cartoonist involved:
"They weren’t adults, but 6th grade students and can’t be more then 10 or 11 years old. There weren’t 12 persons, but at most 6-8 girls. And what has been reported as something that might have been planned because of the Muhammed cartoons was the result of a year-long strife between the students of the 2 schools which began long before the Muhammed cartoons issue, " the cartoonist says.
He wants to emphasise that the strife has now been amiably settled.
"They are kids, and it was a girl thing which might as well have been about someone taking another’s boyfriend. What Jens Rohde said was something he made up, and it is really disturbing that he would ever go public with this story. I think it should be made clear how he has lied," says the cartoonist, who wishes to remain anonymous to protect his family.
In a statement to the press today, Jens Rohde makes it clear that he is deeply sorry:
I am deeply sorry if I have misinterpreted the information I was given at that meeting. And I am even more sorry if I misunderstood the purpose of it. I never intended to use this for my own political gain or to hurt the cartoonists. On the contrary.
Claus seidel says that Jens Rohde ought to have known that the meeting was confidential:
It wasn’t mentioned explicitly, but it was implicit. The meeting centered on the Police Intelligence Service who have for six months asked us not to speak on the matter. He should have the experience to know this. That’s why I am very disappointed that he goes directly from the meeting and shouts from the rooftops what he was given in confidentiality.
This is where the story ends as of Saturday, March 4, 16:57 CET.
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Relevant transcriptions and articles translated from Danish follow:
Article on the case from Denmark’s Radio’s homepage (same story translated independently here at aftenposten.no)
Rohde: Daughter of Cartoonist sought out by 12 Men
A group of Moslem males have tried to get at the daughter of one of the 12 cartoonists who drew the cartoons of Muhammed at her school. The political spokesman of the Liberals, Jens Rohde, revealed this during an interview with TV-Avisen while explaining his and the Prime Minister’s attack on the business community in Denmark, charging that they have put profits over Freedom of Speech.
Not at school
Rohde says that the 12 cartoonists have had their lives overturned and are now living in hiding, after receiving several death threats.
"And a daughter of one of cartoonist was sought out by 12 Moslem males - they were looking to get to her. Fortunately she wasn’t at school," Jens Rohde said.
Meting with Cartoonists
Later Thursday night, Jens Rohde told Ritzaus Bureau that he was told of this incident during a meeting with the cartoonists.
The Police Intelligence Service did not wish to comment on this.
This is the transcript of a newspiece from the Friday, March 3, 2006 3 O’Clock edition of TV-Avisen:
VOICE: Criticisms of the Jens Rohde, Political Spokesman for the Liberals for using the Muhammed cartoonist’s safety predicament for his own political ends.
ANCHOR: It’s 3 o’clock. Hello, and welcome to TV-avisen.
Jens Rohde, Political Spokesman for the Liberals is using the Muhammed cartoonist’s situation for his own political ends. That’s the opinion of the chairman of the Journalists’ association in a statement on behalf of the cartoonists. Rohde exaggerates the facts in service of his own politcal ends, he alleges.VOICE: Jens Rohde, Political Spokesman for the Liberals is distorting and exaggerating the facts. So says the chairman of the Journalists’ association, Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard of Rohde’s statement in TV-Avisen last night.
(From last Night’s interview)
ROHDE: "I think we ought to consider that we have 12 cartoonists in this country who have to live in hiding under protection, have had their lives turned around. The daughter of one of the cartoonists was sought out by 12 Moslem males at her school - they wanted to get at her. Luckily, she wasn’t there,"VOICE: But there were no 12 Moslem males. They were youngsters. Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard, speaking on behalf of the 12 Muhammed cartoonists, who are all members of the Journalist’s association, says to Ritzaus Bureau: "This is blown out of proportions, and that information was confidential. It’s not dignified for a big-time politician to use his airtime to spread such stories from the housetops. This may potentially worsen the predicament of the cartoonists and their families," says Mogen Blicher Bjerregaard.
We need a world conference RIGHT NOW on how to deal with Islam. This is creepy beyond belief. They are basically saying ’stand up to us and we’ll reach out and touch you no matter where you hide your children’. Chilling! It enough!
Comment by foreign devil — March 2, 2006 @ 10:18 pm
Boy attacking a schoolgirl with 11 buddies must make quite a feather on one’s Jihadi turban. What to do for an encore?
God bless the Danes!!! The civilized world is at your side. Stay strong.
Comment by demohypocrates — March 2, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
We’re asking schoolgirls to ’stay strong’ but each in our way, given the chance, will have to say “No” to these people some time and there may be a price. To give in is to have a price as well. Total subjugation each and every time they decide they like it.
Comment by foreign devil — March 2, 2006 @ 10:42 pm
Muhammed Cartoonist’s Daughter Targetted by Muslims
Agora, the place to follow the Muhammed cartoon controversy:Rohde says that the 12 cartoonists have had their lives overturned and are now living in hiding, after receiving several death threats. “And a daugter of one of cartoonist the was sought…
Trackback by The Jawa Report — March 2, 2006 @ 10:44 pm
Demohypocrates:
This was in a mail I just sent to a Swedish friend:
Their government has been rather active in shutting sites that brought the cartoons down. Moscow at the Baltic might be the new name I’ll use for Stockholm. Or Mekka at the Baltic. Both have a certain ring, a flavour of submission….
Comment by Administrator — March 2, 2006 @ 10:59 pm
So it has come to this; 12 people each exercising their leal right of freedom of speech and of Press are in hiding while certain for - profit corporations say “apoligize, repent we are losing money” while the cartoonist and their children are in hiding from the savages from the stone age who would go so far as to kidnap and inevitibly kill a 12 year old girl because it is THEIR RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION to do so. Stand firm, Denmark, we in the US support you and we need to better clarify the issues to the world: “freedom” or death by a stone age religion’s dictates. They are not civilized and do not deserve the respect and treatment of non -civilized people. To call them jihadist warriors is to incorrectly use the word warrior and an unjust juxtapostion with the word warrior; they prey on the defenselves and clueless. DO NOT GIVE AN INCH.
Comment by realwest — March 2, 2006 @ 11:13 pm
Hunt these MOTHER FUCKERS down and cut off their dicks and shove them down thier throats. Then round up the IMAMS and do the same, then spray pesticide to kill the remaining cult of Islam and the followers of the child raping false prophet Muhammad(Pedophile be upon her) COCKROACHES !!!!
Comment by HELLPIG — March 2, 2006 @ 11:16 pm
This is barbaric behavior. Civilized people do not attempt to get at someone by stalking their children.
Comment by Gaius Arbo — March 2, 2006 @ 11:26 pm
Agora, LOL.
Please keep up the great work! Your translations are invaluable to those of us posting in the states. While our State Department has been so shamefully equivocal in the controversy, at least we’ve done better than the Swedes.
Comment by Demohypocrates — March 2, 2006 @ 11:28 pm
#5 Administrator:
We have a saying where I come from: “It ain’t the size of the dog in the fight; it’s the size of the fight in the dog that counts!” Denmark may be a Jack Russell but looook out!
Comment by foreign devil — March 2, 2006 @ 11:29 pm
The number of warheads required to reduce the Orc population by 2/3 within 2 days is ready and available to the West. Cleaning up the rest could take years, but it could be done.
Comment by Exterminator — March 2, 2006 @ 11:33 pm
Not enough info . . .Were the predators identified beyond the obvious (followers of RoP)? Publish these predators identities online, in the msm and on every lamp post on the street. See how long they remain predator as opposed to prey.
Comment by heroyal — March 3, 2006 @ 12:59 am
You have to demand that the leader of the Free World speak the hell out, and that the Champion in arms of the West stand up.
This is a matter that transcends Scandanavia and Western Europe.
But all of you have a role. Why haven’t you been parading. Why is it that only the muslims hold protest rallies? Where is the rest of Europe, the Europe that was the birthplace of the West.
On a related topic, some of you seem to think that we need to resort to nukes. No we don’t.
But if you did, you wouldn’t need to make craters, and leave radioactive waste for decades.
Neutron weaponry is what you need. They kill every living thing in an area, and leave the structures and property untouched. Within hours, you can move into the area without any risk to health.
The West doesn’t stand without the technical means to defend itself, to assert itself, and to stomp out once and for all islamic delusions of grandeur. The problem is one of will, which in the West has been eroded by radical secularism.
Does anyone hear think Churchill or Clemenceau would have tolerated any of this utter nonsense. Of course not. Richelieu would have known exactly what to do.
You have tried your best, for decades, to get along with Islam. Towards that end, you averted your eyes from horrors, but told yourself that it was in the interest of peace, and that your motives were predicated upon tolerance. Efforts at peace have not succeeded. THE MORE you reach out to them, the more desperation you exude. AND THE MUSLIMS KNOW IT. They sense the fear, and it awakens deep predatory instincts.
We don’t need any more attempts at dialogue. We need statements, backed up by fact and logic, and ultimately backed up by the technical means that science has provided the West.
Comment by Dan — March 3, 2006 @ 1:18 am
Danes should just export all the little bastards back to their country in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran wherever who cares if they get persecuted.
Comment by Kick out islam — March 3, 2006 @ 1:18 am
LOL I think I’m starting to become a fan of Hellpigs. What a pisser! Hey, I totally agree with him tho. Islama Nazi my own blogsite will give you more on this subject and others related to the evil that is Islam. Spread the word, spread the links, the more of us on the Net, the more the world becomes aware. We are saving ourselves. I hope Denmarks outlaws Islam as a terrorist doctrine. Terrorism IS illegal and Islamists regularly engage in terrorism. What more is needed? That would have the bastards heading back where they came from in droves and save Denmark. Denmark no longer needs muslims anyway. They don’t sell anything to them now, so now is a good time to boot their asses out. Up with the Free World, into the pisswah with Islam.
Comment by Rastaman — March 3, 2006 @ 1:23 am
Radical Islamists Targeting Child Of Cartoonist
The world, and the US imp-articular, needs to wake up and realize that there is no appeasing or even contemplating negotiation with radical Islam. It is comprised of individual who have no sense of right and wrong, nor do they
Trackback by Riehl World View — March 3, 2006 @ 1:50 am
CARTOON JIHAD: HUNTING THE CHILDREN
I made it home. Tons of stuff to catch up on, but I had to post a few Cartoon Jihad items before I crash. Several Danish readers point to this news article detailing a possible threat against the child of…
Trackback by Michelle Malkin — March 3, 2006 @ 2:30 am
12 Jihadists Hunt My Daughter, Wait, 11, No, 10, Make That 9…
12 Jihadis hunt the daughter of one of the Danish…
Trackback by Vince Aut Morire — March 3, 2006 @ 3:06 am
I don’t care how many Muslims claim that Islam is a religion of peace. I want to know why Islam produces so many violently intolerant thugs. And I want to know when Islam is going to reform itself. No more lies, no more evasions, no more excuses. Reform now.
Comment by pst314 — March 3, 2006 @ 3:40 am
Jesus willy christ! The next time I hear some idiot call these vicious vermin peaceful farmers, or anything pertaining to peaceful, I think I’ll be sorely tempted to slap them. Going after a kid is about the lowest of the lowest things these cretins can do…at least so far.
Comment by Simone — March 3, 2006 @ 3:45 am
Cowardly Jihadist Target Cartoonist’s Child
Not surprisingly, the Cowardly Jihadist go after children.
Trackback by Blue Star Chronicles — March 3, 2006 @ 3:49 am
As one said, this is creepy beyond belief… Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan has some good points. “It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. Watch the video and se her statements http://sugiero.blogspot.com/2006/03/caricatures-cartoons-and-muhammed.html
One must admire her guts… It cannot be easy saying what she says on live TV, and being a woman…
Comment by sugiero — March 3, 2006 @ 3:52 am
” The daughter of one of the cartoonists was sought out by 12 Moslem males at her school - they wanted to get at her.”
Is there any verification of this account? Any eyewitness? The account as presented is not sufficient.
Comment by Patriot — March 3, 2006 @ 4:01 am
#23 Patriot
No, there is no verification. But Jens Rohde is a known politician who would lose greatly if he lied and the cartoonists are available for interview through the Police Intelligence Service, so I don’t see how this could not be true.
Yeah, call me a dumbass for trusting politicians, but they don’t lie when it’s easy to check their facts.
Comment by Administrator — March 3, 2006 @ 4:10 am
If it’s true they tried to get one of the children, well, I can’t think of much to say that doesnt involve a great deal of profanity. This is disgusting!
Comment by Mark — March 3, 2006 @ 4:26 am
Deport them all. send a message to the Ummah
we are not putting up with this crap anymore
Comment by Jauhara al Kafirah — March 3, 2006 @ 4:36 am
Hunt them down and kill them lick so many rabid rats.
Comment by Bill Faith — March 3, 2006 @ 4:37 am
Thursday Night Link Roundup
… It’s time for a little rat hunt. Islamism delenda est!
Trackback by Small Town Veteran — March 3, 2006 @ 4:47 am
Spreading support for Denmark
First of all, I want to apologize to whoever made this beautiful banner for not linking back to you, but I can’t remember where I pulled it from. Second, I want to commend Michael Weiss of Snarksmith (no relation)…
Trackback by Kesher Talk — March 3, 2006 @ 4:50 am
The kids’d probably kick their Islamoprick asses, too
(Hat tip to LC, IB and sometimes-Realm-correspondent Lady Heather.) Denizens, I was  gonna blog on how Power Line had an excellent take on the so-called Asphyxiated Piss “gotcha” video they…
Trackback by Spatula City BBS! — March 3, 2006 @ 5:32 am
please boycot all muslim products, don’t donate money for muslim earthquake victims (btw, it was allah’s will to kill them) and don’t make holidays in their countries anymore.
Comment by socki — March 3, 2006 @ 6:10 am
Stalking Minuteman Kids at Their Schools
In other news of thugs threatening children from the comments section of No Pasarn! Cartoonist’s Daughter Hunted by 12 Jihadists they needed TWELVE men to handl one little girl? No wonder they need virgins when they go to paradise, any woman who had…
Trackback by Committees of Correspondence — March 3, 2006 @ 6:22 am
One word. Crusade. I’m more than ready.
Comment by Katharine Moores — March 3, 2006 @ 6:56 am
Daily News For March 3, 2006
Domestic FOX Poll: Most Oppose Port Deal; Republicans Lose Ground New Video Shows Blanco Saying Levees Safe The Pro-Terrorist…
Trackback by Right Wing News — March 3, 2006 @ 7:06 am
Re: “Is there any verification of this account? Any eyewitness? The account as presented is not sufficient.”
It doesn’t matter in the least whether this particular story is true or not. You already know radical Islamists target children. You saw it at Beslan. And you saw it in numerous suicide bombings at family places in Israel. How many examples do people need to recognize the obvious?
Comment by DEC — March 3, 2006 @ 7:10 am
Dear sir, why when some cartoonist want to do the same mockery cartoons about prophet Jesus, the said newspaper disagreed ,and the excuse is because of the sensitivity to the cristians. So is there any hidden agenda or purely on freedom of speech? The muslims only angry on the hidden agenda not because of freedom of speech. So be fair ..Tq
Comment by damialutfiah — March 3, 2006 @ 8:31 am
Perspective: The point here is that it is ok to get really really angry with somebody who says, writes or draws something you find awful - fine be angry. Say yoy’re angry, write it , draw it, but the minute death threats start being issued IT IS NOT OK. When these people AND for-God’s-sake!! their children, cannot feel safe in a DEMOCRACY something is badly out of joint! As Rushdie just rightly pointed out …again. So what are we going to do about it?
Are we going to pretend it doesn’t matter because those cartoonists are not us? Are we going to let this be the way the cookie crumbles here in Denmark? In Holland? In Britain? In the west! I hope not! Let’s not rant about nuking people, let’s keep the perspective and focus on the values we want, not the ones we don’t want - and let’s perhaps organize a large number of people in front of Christiansborg,well preferably in front of every parliament in Europe, with banners saying: “We support freedom of speech!” “We support Rushdie & the cartoonists”. “Freedom in the free world, please!” etc. Anyone in? Any practically oriented organizers who would like to help do this?
Eudaimonia
Comment by Eudaimonia — March 3, 2006 @ 9:07 am
I’m going to post this as is, and if there’s further information one way or the other I’ll follow up. I certainly want further information before I accept this as factual. I agree that there’s almost nothing Muslims won’t do, but in this case I think we need further evidence before we claim this is factual. Having made that point twwice here I ask why I make it at all. We aren’t singling out any other group than Muslims for this. They have proven themselves to be psychotic and murderous and evil. there’s no reason not to get rid of them from Europe at least. My original point remains, though, and if anyone has or receives further information, please forward it to me so I can pass it on to my readers.
Comment by dag — March 3, 2006 @ 9:28 am
- Muslim men hunting for daughter of Danish cartoonist
Trackback by Secular Blasphemy — March 3, 2006 @ 11:38 am
La hija de uno de los caricaturistas perseguida por 12 musulmanes jihadistas
A través de Jihad Watch -y gracias a Sugiero-me entero de la siguiente noticia:
Rohde, el portavoz del Partido Liberal danés, en una entrevista a Radio danesa dijo: “I think we ought to consider that we have 12 cartoonists in this …
Trackback by Eurabian News — March 3, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
It’s the start of baseball season here in the USA. Have Louisville Slugger will Travel.
Comment by Peter Bosotn — March 3, 2006 @ 12:54 pm
Europe simply needs to wake up. Islam/muslims simply don’t fit in! The more they let in the worse it is going to get. They are not solving any problems in the muslims homeland, only creating a new one in their own by letting them in. We must make a stand or Europe is going to turns into a toilet. Your children and grandchildren will have to live in the land we make. kick them out before it is too late.
Comment by M Knudsen — March 3, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
I am glad that there are some other skeptics here.
Comment by Patriot — March 3, 2006 @ 1:25 pm
If ever I get a serious threat from anyone - Muslim or not - I am ready to use my new pistol. The Danes are too soft. They need to put on their Viking hats and start charging like bulls.
Comment by Rafa — March 3, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
To target an innocent child is cowardly as well as patently wrong !!
Comment by Paul — March 3, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
Confusion-blogging
See what happens during Mardi Gras week around here? No school for the little one this week, so last night I thought it was Friday night. (Yeah, I know, you’d be doing something like having a life on Friday night. Shut up.) So instead of payi…
Trackback by MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy — March 3, 2006 @ 2:25 pm
All 12 cartoonists are now in hiding, for fear of their lives — in their own, liberty loving country.
Mind numbing — and how long is Western Civilization going to put up with Islamofascist thugs? For that matter, how long are Muslims going to put up with murderers who do violence in the name of Islam http://cuppapolitics.blogspot.com/2006/03/muslims-try-to-snatch-cartoonists-12.html (apologies for addy, trackback softwear thingie not working)
Comment by FrauBudgie — March 3, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
Drop a Daisey Cutter on the Haj every year. Eventually, you’ll get them all.
Comment by Exador — March 3, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
A picture is worth a 1000 words
http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/
Comment by HELLPIG — March 3, 2006 @ 3:03 pm
Enough Is Enough
One does not threaten innocent children regardless of one’s political or religious views! That crosses a line and it is inherently dangerous. Yet in denmark it has happened to the young daughter of one of the cartoonists who drew the…
Trackback by The Rolling Barrage — March 3, 2006 @ 3:07 pm
They reason they sent 12 men to get one small schoolgirl is because they were undoubtedly planning to gang-rape her. One of the favorite ways of keeping “the infidels” in line. Ask the Australians.
Comment by Irene Adler — March 3, 2006 @ 4:00 pm
The amount of ignorance and intolernece in this thread is hilarious. You are judging a billion+ people based on the actions of a percentile of a percentile. Grow up.
Comment by Taimur Hasan — March 3, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
Two thoughts come to mind:
1. Every paper on earth should print the cartoons. To show solidarity AND to bring this to a head. Nobody but the radical muslims benefit from the piecemeal/sporadic publishing. All it does is allow the fanatics to bring the full might of their fanaticism to a small area and overpower it.
The best analogy is a herd being menaced by a pack of wolves. If the herd only allows one or two at a time to defy the wolves, the wolves eat well and keep following the herd. If on the other hand the herd utilizes it’s size and presents a uniform response, the wolves go hungry and move on to something easier.
2. Entelodon Brigades.
Comment by Anonymous Citizen — March 3, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
Taimur Hasan said:The amount of ignorance and intolernece in this thread is hilarious. You are judging a billion+ people based on the actions of a percentile of a percentile. Grow up.
The reason there are a billion + is that they are all COCKROACHES,Take your hipocracy and intolerance and kiss my fucking ass you follower of the cult of Islam and the child raping false prophet muhammad(May pigs piss on hir rotting corpse),for the world is tired of your Islamic LIES. FUCKER
[MODERATOR’S NOTE: The Agora Blog will be place of civil discourse. You’re free to engage in talk about theories of worldwide Moslem domination and Christian too for that matter, as long as you do so in a language becoming a gentleman. No more WHITE POWER trips here.That is all.]
Comment by HELLPIG — March 3, 2006 @ 6:41 pm
Taimur Hasan said: The amount of ignorance and intolernece in this thread is hilarious. You are judging a billion+ people based on the actions of a percentile of a percentile. Grow up.
We are also judging you by the fact that you are so silent on the issue and absolutely refuse to condemn that percentile who are committing violence in the name of Mohammed. I’ve noticed that no such condemnation has ever been broadcast over the loudspeakers at Mecca and until they do, I will regard the billion plus Islamicists as hypocrits.
Comment by ClientPro — March 3, 2006 @ 6:46 pm
In all honesty, all your fear and hatred is being reflected back at you.
The cartoons were needlessly provocative at a delicate time - in whose mind these somehow stand for Danish honour, I cannot say - only fools and the mad.
One only needs read the comment thread above me to feel the venom and intolerance directed at millions of people. What if these were cartoons mocking Jehovah and printing the name of the Jewish god? Would we respond so?
You will all drown in your own hate. Just like those fanatical, fundamentalist Muslims.
Comment by Truth — March 3, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
World Educate yourselves,understand the enemy.
Prophet Of Doom
THE TRUE FUQRAN
Comment by HELLPIG — March 3, 2006 @ 6:52 pm
NOW HEAR THIS!
You
will
behave yourselves, children. No more accusing each other of being sons of satan. Keep the discussion level-headed. Your right to Freedom of Speech stops where my right to edit and delete your comments begin.NO MORE!
That is all.
Comment by Administrator — March 3, 2006 @ 7:05 pm
Truth wrote: One only needs read the comment thread above me to feel the venom and intolerance directed at millions of people. What if these were cartoons mocking Jehovah and printing the name of the Jewish god? Would we respond so?
No, we would not. We would not be ritoing. We would not be murdering. We would not be burning buildings and we certainly would not be stalking 12-year-old little girls.
When “Piss Chirst” was made public, we did not riot. When the New York Times published an image of the Immacualte Virgin, we did not riot. On a daily basis, there are cartoons and images mocking Christianity and Judaism, but you do not see us threatening the families of those who publish such things. We are better than that but the Islamicists are not.
You call it “hate.” Why is it “hateful” to be concerned about fanatics who have clearly stated that they will not rest until we bow down before Islam? Why is it “hateful” to stand against those who would visit violence upon you for not worshipping as they do?
You need to present your arguments more completely and more fully explain yourself before making such broadbrushed accusations like that.
Comment by ClientPro — March 3, 2006 @ 7:36 pm
The dialogue at the agora had become closer to spermologue, so I do appreciate the nudge. Keeping it simple, please feel free to pass on any information you might have regarding this attempt to “contact” the cartoonist’s daughter. Keep in mind that if we can’t come up with more solid evidence that we have so far the best we can do is rely on analogy, for example, the reported attempted assault by a gang of Muslims on Theo van Gogh’s son. That too was sketchy. If these things are verifiable I’ll bang the drum till you hear me no matter where you are.
If you have other stories on this kind of topic, please forward them to me at http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/
Thank you. Dag.
Comment by dag — March 3, 2006 @ 7:36 pm
[MODERATOR’S NOTE: The Agora Blog will be place of civil discourse. You’re free to engage in talk about theories of worldwide Moslem domination and Christian too for that matter, as long as you do so in a language becoming a gentleman. No more WHITE POWER trips here.That is all.]
First off I don’t appreciate being called a NAZI on a white power trip,I am a realist on a world power trip,edit and delete away,there’s 1000 more blogs a click away.and every thing I stated in past posts is a matter of pure FACT except muslims being cockroaches.That was all me.Muhammad was a Pedophile rapist,muhammad was a false prophet,his visions were a product of epilepsy.this is all written fact,I am only re-printing it.
Comment by HELLPIG — March 3, 2006 @ 8:26 pm
#63 HELLPIG
As I said, you are free to engage in debate on any topic tangentially related to the post (and then some) - but calling Moslems cockroaches is just where I draw the line. Yes, the prophet Muhammed was a pedophile, we know this from the Quran. Yes, he was a false prophet. Yes, he had epilepsy. Those are all things that can be backed up with facts.
I’ll go as far as saying that you may even say that Moslems worship a pedo-prophet. That is all well and good. No harm done. But calling them cockroaches is something I will not have. I mean, look at them! Some are ugly, some are beautiful, some are inbetween. But none of them are cockroaches. And if you call them cockroaches, my immediate thought is to call for an exterminator. And frightful as their religion may be, I don’t want to go there.
Capisce?
Comment by Administrator — March 3, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
#64 Administrator said:
Fair enough. It’s your website.Question… Do you really believe, deep down, that a peaceful solution is possible? Mind you, I said “possible,” not “desireable.”
Comment by The Annoyed Man — March 3, 2006 @ 8:44 pm
Fair enough
Comment by HELLPIG — March 3, 2006 @ 8:46 pm
#66 & #65 Thank you for your understanding.
#65 The Annoyed Man
I’ll tell you how I see it: Logically, the Logic of War - the logic we started using once we discovered there was an irreconcilable difference between our cultures - dictates that NO, there will be no peaceful solution. I sometimes even think so - and then I am known to throw a hissyfit at whoever’s nearest.
But, though I am an atheist, I have this feeling about the world that is very Christian. I get the feeling that we’re not seeing the bigger picture. That there’s hope. That so many beautiful Moslem women couldn’t have been made just to be raped and killed.
It would just seem so pointless, that. And for what? 2 million square miles of desert? No. I don’t think that would create a better world.
But I think that if we want to make a better world, we need to know the truth. And if I can, I am going to find it.
And that’s why I think it’s pointless to start name-calling. There’s time enough for that when the Armies of the East and the Armies of the West meet at the Gate of Mordor to do battle till death. Till then, why not try to make what we have work?
Agora
Comment by Administrator — March 3, 2006 @ 9:05 pm
This is why the west can not have muslims living among us here in the western world. I am sure those muslim boys looking to do harm to a little girl-typical muslim bravery-they would have butchered her. Islam should be outlawed in the civilized nations where we can still ridicule each other and not act as murderous devils.
Comment by Mr. Vinter--Friend of Denmark. — March 3, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
Peaceful resolutions come about eith one of two ways:
1. Both sides (or all parties) reasonably conclude that there is no reason to wage war. This requires that all parties use reason.
2. One side makes the other capitulate…this is how it will be between Islam and the West.
Islam is reputed to be a religion of peace yet there are far too many exmaples of the opposite being true-in practice. The Nazi’s were thought by some laggards to want peace-but it was piece-as in the whole piece of Europe.
Islam wants the world. That shall not happen.
Comment by Washington — March 3, 2006 @ 11:51 pm
Islam is not a religion - it’s a car burning cult…
Comment by Infidel Hero — March 4, 2006 @ 1:34 am
It’s time to label the Muslim religion for what it is. The largest CULT in the World. Cults (of all manners) should be banned from all the free countries of the World.
Comment by Shamrock — March 4, 2006 @ 1:53 am
#71 Shamrock said:
The problem with your solution is that one man’s cult is another man’s religion. As a Christian, I agree that Islam is a cult. But here in America, we guarantee the right to religious freedom - even if a given religion is defined as a cult by some people. A society that bans cults would not be a society that guarantees religious freedom, including my own, and thus would not be a truly free society. Neither would a society be free if it defined ALL religions as cults and banned them all.No, I’m afraid that the only equitable solution is the American model, in which citizens agree that their relationship with their God is personal, and that they will be law abiding citizens, regardless of what their holy scriptures tell them, and government stays the hell out of the picture. A prominent gay journalist here in the U.S., Andrew Sullivan, recently said:
I couldn’t agree more. That is why Christians did not riot at the publication of images of the “Piss-Christ.” That is why Christians did not issue fatwahs calling for the beheading of the “artist” (and I use the term loosely). Sure, we were offended, but we didn’t behave like savages, including the savage prick who felt it was necessary to create such a piece in the first place. A few years back, there was a guy running around with a scoped rifle who was shooting and killing abortion doctors from some distance away like a sniper. He was eventually caught. He claimed that God told him to shoot those bastards (in my view any abortionist is a baby killer) for their sins. We the People threw his ass in prison where it belongs. Do I as a Christian believe that abortion is an abomination in the eyes of God? Yes, I do. But I don’t believe that it gives me the right to murder an abortionist in retaliation.In America, offended Christians, offended Jews, and offended Muslims may be truly angered by what they view as depredations upon their most cherished beliefs, but we live in a land governed by a Constitution and laws, and we are not permitted to violate the rights of others simply because we are offended. There is no Constitutional right against being offended. If you are offended, freakin’ deal with it and get over yourself.
Islam is in the middle of a massive childish temper tantrum right now - I don’t care how many billions of muslims exist. Until radicalized muslims grow the hell up and act like adults, and until the rest of Islam start throwing their own into prison and/or executing them for their crimes against muslims and non-muslims alike, they are the enemies of civilization. They seriously need to clean their own house - which is in severe disorder. If they don’t, the rest of the adult world is going to do it for them, because the status quo cannot be allowed to continue.
Comment by The Annoyed Man — March 4, 2006 @ 7:15 am
It turns out the story had very little basis in facts.
The “twelve men” were really 6-8 girls from a rivaling school.
Comment by Martin — March 4, 2006 @ 9:33 am
I’m from Denmark, and I want to point out that spokesman Jens Rohde lied about those “12 men”. This situation is absurd, and I’m certain that most Danes, including me, will turn a lot of anger towards Jens Rohde. This is just the WRONG time to start lying! Personally, I never liked our Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, and the rest of our government, but now they have gone way to far over the line. If Jens Rohde doesn’t resign as a result of this, I’m at a loss what to do. I can’t wait to see him being interviewed on TV, trying hard to be honest(!).
Comment by Jonas Kronborg — March 4, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
Good, one lie amidst the 1000’s the cult of Islam has been telling, serves the bastards right, maybe they will think twice before actually doing something this heinous, what am I saying they are MUSLIM’S nothing is to Heinous for them.
NUKE MECCA!!!!!
Comment by HELLPIG — March 4, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Hellpig,
That doesn’t really do anybody any good. Just because they “might” doesn’t mean they did. Let’s try to be factual here. There are actually quite a few Moslems who aren’t entirely nuts. Try sandmonkey’s site. Just because they have a gaga religion doesn’t mean we should nuke Mecca.
Agora
Comment by Administrator — March 4, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Okay. We have another version of the story now. But ask yourself this. Your child is at dayschool, say, and the teacher tells you later that 6 to 8 muslim girls (must have had veils or hijabs) came to the school asking to see her. Now we know young girls are just as tough these days as boys. And ’spitefulness’ and ‘malice’ is stock in trade within Islam. Islam’s adherents trade daily in spiteful comments about other religions and of course races (infidels). 6 to 8th graders are big girls, 14 15 sometimes. They could do a lot of damage to a little child before someone had a chance to rescue her. I’m no happier with this version than I was the last though I’ll pass it on to all the places I passed the first story. I take it that is what happened and that’s fine…it wasn’t 12 Muslim men, it was 6-8 Muslims girls.
Do I think the child was any safer? Were all those Muslim girls covered in burkas and how do we know they were all girls?
No! I don’t find this version any more reassuring than the last but it’s interesting how the powers that be are hoping to take the wind out of the reaction by downplaying it. The fact is 6 to 8 Muslim women (15 year olds marry in Islam) these were women, turn up to ‘have a chat’ with the cartoonists daughter.
How high-handed is that. We walk our kids to school and home again to make sure they don’t get accosted and these people just ‘turn up’ at the school?
Sorry. It reeks of a cover-up because the cartoonits’ lawyers are afraid for their clients but it gone past what their clients want. We should still read the message for what it was. A ‘visit’ on a schoolchild not involved, who’s father drew the cartoon. What did they expect to gain from that visit? To scare the child? A 7 year old wasn’t going to debate the merits of Islam, surely.
No these little Muslim B*tches wanted to put a bit of ‘hurt’ on her to take back to her daddy. THEY SHOULD STILL BE TAKEN TO COURT AND MADE TO FACE THE MUSIC.
Comment by foreign devil — March 4, 2006 @ 4:59 pm
You see but they already have,for centuries.Need I link to the little beheaded girl recently.The cult of Islam is still guilty on all charges.And although the mentally challenged LIBERALS wish to take the wait and see approach(Fucking Dhimmmi’s)I choose the total annihilation approach.The longer we postpone the inevitable,the longer it will take and the more it will cost.
“There are actually quite a few Moslems who aren’t entirely nuts”
Nuts or not the muslims have yet to speak out against anything.Therefore they are all guilty as accused.
“That doesn’t really do anybody any good”
sure it does,it is good for all of western society.
Comment by HELLPIG — March 4, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Hellpiggy,
Annihilating people of different faiths is not something we can justify with western values. It’s a no go. Can’t do. No way. Have you ever read Nietzsche? Try reading the part about staring into the abyss. You know what the abyss does? It stares right back at you.
Just because they are bad doesn’t mean we have to become the reflection of them.
Just because people aren’t perfect doesn’t mean we go and kill them.
If you like the Lord of the Rings, reflect on this:
Agora
Comment by Administrator — March 4, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
There’s stil something fishy about it. According to this article in Politiken, the girls had come the school to get hold on “the daughter of the artist, who had derided their prophet”.
This flatly contradicts the artist himself, who claimed it was old strife and not related to the Muhammed-issue.
As has been stated several times, the Danish Security Intelligence has advised all 12 artist to keep a low profile.
Comment by Martin — March 4, 2006 @ 5:56 pm
Tell ya what when the tallies are equal,I mean an eye for an eye a mosque for a shrine then maybe we can stop short,which means we have about a century to play catch up.
as for a no go,can’t do. I am optimist,when this crap hits the mainland(with Bush’s lax borders)and it will,then we will see.Can you say “internment camps” the U.S. can that’s why they are building them now.
As far as starring into the abyss,nothing a can of gas and a match won’t cure.
VIVA LA BUSH
Comment by HELLPIG — March 4, 2006 @ 5:56 pm
Weird. I thought I had posted a comment?
Anyway, something is definitely fishy and the cartoonist is trying to hush up things. Why were the police contacted if this was “old strife”? Why does the artist claim the incident wasn’t related to the cartoons, when the girls where looking for “the daughter of the artist who derided our prophet”? How does he know the age of the children?
BTW, In Denmark you start at school when you’re 6, so girls in the 6th grade are more than 10-11 years (how does the artist know what grade the girls are in?)
Comment by Martin — March 4, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
I received some further information on this story, as I’d asked from readers here earlier. I thank you all for your interest and prompt responses. I’m proud of the lot who were able to put aside any personal feelings of justice to strive instead for truth. By correcting the details of this story we have come out of it far stronger and more able to deal with the next one if and when it arises. This honest pursuit of truth elevates us all. I thank you all for showing that we can persevere in our efforts, that we can take responsibility for our actions, and that we can triumph over the mundane in our search for truth. This is a clear victory for us all.
Regards, Dag.
Comment by dag — March 4, 2006 @ 8:25 pm
CARTOON JIHAD HOAX
Danish blogger Agora has an update on the reports that one of the Mohammed Cartoonists’ children had been threatened by Islamists. Not true….
Trackback by Michelle Malkin — March 4, 2006 @ 8:31 pm
Jens Rohde got this information from someone who had an agenda of some kind. But that agenda included - maybe - not that Rohde should go straight to the press. He was perhaps just meant to be manipulated to get upset. If somebody lied, it was not Jens Rohde, but he is now unable to talk back out of loyalty to the cartoonists. There is no way, Jens Rohde could have made the story up. Why would it ever be told in this forum if it was a matter of a private nature and irrelevant to the subject ? There’s no way it would, impossible. Somebody is keeping us in the dark. What are we not mature enough to know ? Speak up !
Comment by Dhimmi — March 4, 2006 @ 10:33 pm
Well, I am also a Dane. The left wing, the Social Democrats and the Radicals have been looking for any excuse to attack the present government. The present government is comprised of the Conservatives and the Liberals. There is a right wing party that supports the government. They have under the recent crisis won a lot of voters from the Social Democrats. This is making many Leftists ‘liberals in the other sense’ angry. But the fact is that the public does not want a faster immigration than integration can keep up with.
There have been some rude statements in Denmark from the extreme right. There has been a lot of debate in the media. And there have been made some carictatures in a newspaper.
Denmark has in the past taken in a larger amount of ‘refugees’ then prescribed in diverse treaties. Denmark has in the past been the largest netto contributor per capita in the world, and even after cutting back - the largest in EU.
As mentioned earlier, nothing was written down, Maybe Jens Rohde got it wrong, and maybe the chairman exagurated during the meeting and regretted aferwards.
Just as the Cartoons have been an internal tool in the Islamic countries, it is now one in Denmark.
Comment by a dane in spain — March 4, 2006 @ 10:41 pm
Ok so 6-8 young Muslim girls showed up at another school (not their own) wanting to see the daughter of a cartoonist who they say insulted their prophet. 6-8 to 1 sounds like someone was wanting to stomp someone not an innocent chat between young girls ! Am I missing something here?
Comment by Paul — March 5, 2006 @ 12:00 am
No, Paul, you’re not missing something here. This whole thing has been hushed down. I am closing comments on this post though and moving everything over to this post. You might like to read it to get my take on this.
Agora
Comment by Administrator — March 5, 2006 @ 12:32 am
My last word on the cartoon wars
One final thought on the Cartoon wars that we have covered here: As a Catholic I only know Islam from the copy of the Koran I’ve read but it seems odd to me that this is still generating international violence…
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“Tough” guys
Those “manly” radical Muslims: The daughter of one of the artists behind one of the controversial newspaper caricatures of the prophet Mohammed was sought out at her school by twelve Muslim men, a leading Danish politician claims. Jens Rohde, politic…
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